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De Wilde · Oct 18, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

I prefer the report system, though there are some things that could be worked out, and may have happen in the future.

When you go to report someone - there's several different options you can pick. Some of the wording that is used, isn't every clear, and can sometimes end up reporting someone for the wrong thing (and this in turn can bite you on your rump). I think that the wording should be made much more clearly. It's kind of like legal jargon - hard to figure out. Which means most people won't bother.

Targeting teh person you're trying to report, nto always the easiest thign in the world, after all most people whom are abusive (And not so nice words) to others in local chats, can and do hide so they can't be found, and be ripped into. Even though ti's an MMO and no physical harm can come (I've noticed this) A better system needs to be put into place.

I just double checked how to report while Iw as on guild Wars, and it does seem to be somewhat... lacking, there's a few tabs and ticks, but the big bold red letterings of warning - could also turn people off, perhaps a warning After the tick mark is chosen, prior to the finalization of reporting would be better, as those new to the game could be intimidated by this.

Time limit - do not allow to have leeching be reported in AB etc for up to 4 minutes AFTER the battle has begun(Giving ample enough time for those whom are AFK/ I tend to afk while the cutscene is playing||And ample enough time to see the cutscene for those whom haven't done it before||To return to the game) And it's easier to truly spot a leecher that way.

Verbal abuse - well I'm a potty mouth I truly am, I have my moments I should say. I don't know what one could construe as verbal abuse. Just because I say things that would be red engined gored -here- while i'm in AB or whatever, when I'm truly torqued off... I don't want to be punsihed for letting a moment of anger get me banned, I try to curb it but sometimes.. It's really hard, specially whilst getting gang banged by six sins while you're ABing, that.. stinks highly. Maybe an explination about the verbal abuse

I don't know if anyone has explained it in this thread what can be considered verbal abuse...

So i'm just putting that there.

And I think that's my feedback, thoughts on the report system.

As I saw Gaile wanted opinions.

Bryant Again · Oct 18, 2007, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Working pretty cool so far. Ran into two leechers in the past week, two. And it makes reporting racist and offensive names much more easier : ) No more alt + tab.

Mithie · Oct 18, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

So I was in RA and this ranger on my team was using a broadhead arrow build but he was training the other team's warrior instead of dazing their monk. So I told him to attack the monk. He said he can't because the monk keeps dodging his broadhead. I told him he was bad at the game, yes, exact words: "You're pretty bad at the game then", and I got declared a leecher.

DarkGanni · Oct 18, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Government Flu

I am not exactly what you would say, a person who has all his stuff together. I suffer from certain bouts of paranoia frequently, I will admit that to reinforce my opinion on the report command. You may mock me for showing this weakness if you wish. However, because of certain issues with myself, I find the report command a very threatening encounter.

Aren't there many immature people out there that'll just abuse the report command to target players that they don't like or that they'll just attempt to ban because of a conversation gone wrong?

And I occasionally let loose a curse word here and there because it's part of my vocabulary, and in a non-formal social arena, I don't tend to watch my tongue. With the report command, my sense of freedom in speaking feels very censored. ArenaNet stated that people can report others for anti-social behavior, but this declaration makes me feel like I should now engage in non-social behavior, pretty much becoming a silent character moving in and out of outposts.

Of course, I'm not someone that'll spam something stupid or pointless, but whenever I had a heated and mature discussion with other players, someone always threatened to report me because they felt insulted! (Even if we weren't targeting that player or anyone he knows!) Now I feel like I need to shut my mouth or Anet will say "Thanks for all your money, now you've been a bad boy so go to your room and never play this game again."

I really think that the report command should only be used on leechers and RA leavers. This current testing period features a broad selection of options that quite frankly, make me feel very uneasy. I hope that after the testing period, they'll tone it down a little, because I can't help but think that there's always someone watching me now.

And this really detracts from the enjoyment of a game. On a final note, the manual report ticket on their support site should be enough. If someone did something so wrong then obviously the victim would take enough time out of their day to report them. This new and convenient way to report someone will attract people who wish to abuse the system.

Once again, I really hope Anet redesigns the new report system to a more limited scope of options.

Thank you,

From a long time GW player.

Agreed with all of the above, report system really needs a workaround.

eudas · Oct 19, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

i consider the reporting system to be inherently flawed because it is user-based. i have observed user-based moderation on other sites (slashdot, kuro5hin) and, in the end, it usually winds up as a tool used by the very people that it was intended to help weed out (trolls and undesirable users) against the people whom it was intended to assist (the nice/good/desirable users).

at best, it will have no effect. at worst, it will have a pronounced negative effect on the userbase.

eudas

Antheus · Oct 19, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by eudas

i consider the reporting system to be inherently flawed because it is user-based. i have observed user-based moderation on other sites (slashdot, kuro5hin) and, in the end, it usually winds up as a tool used by the very people that it was intended to help weed out (trolls and undesirable users) against the people whom it was intended to assist (the nice/good/desirable users).

Slashdot? With its 78 interconnected levels of meta meta meta meta moderation?

Nah, it works fine. It's just that it has been proven clearly in various threads that some people have mistaken interpretation of what is "right".

eudas · Oct 19, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Slashdot? With its 78 interconnected levels of meta meta meta meta moderation?

Nah, it works fine. It's just that it has been proven clearly in various threads that some people have mistaken interpretation of what is "right".

im sure you know this already, but consider for a moment why it has to have those 78 levels of meta moderation... the reason is because the base moderation system is a failure.

eudas

leprekan · Oct 19, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Well I don't see Anet paying GMs to sit in every outpost to weed out the turds. Till it proves to be blatantly abused it is better than nothing.

Fril Estelin · Oct 19, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by eudas

im sure you know this already, but consider for a moment why it has to have those 78 levels of meta moderation... the reason is because the base moderation system is a failure.

What are you talking about? The meta-moderation was introduced very quickly to try to balance karma consumption and root out the bad/n00b moderators. Slashdot's karma system was a huge success, considering how (f)lame it became before the system was introduced. Of course there're always unhappy people, but bear in mind that slashdot's system enable anyone to look at all the posts.

Anet's report system is only similar to /.karma only up to a certain extent. GW has a more specific problem, since one does not have to interpret natural language (only GWG have this problem

).

cebalrai · Oct 19, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

I like the idea of /report. I'm an AB player though. ABs are almost always a chaotic frenzy. This means that it's virtually impossible to rally up enough players to /report leeches. Partly because of the fact that the leech may not be on your screen and you want to see them for yourself. Partly because of the chaos.

Regardless /report for leeches in AB is unusable and completely ineffective. The leeches are still out in full-force in AB, since they realize that they'll never be reported.

Mac Sidewinder · Oct 19, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

While the effect of the report system may be in question when it comes to AB, it shines in most other areas. Maybe the answer is to change how it operates in AB.

It seems to me that the majority of the people who don't like the report system seem to think they are going to get banned for a single report against them. Unless you blatenly break the EULA, you are not going to get banned.

If you purposely do break the EULA then you should get banned. Just don't be paranoid about it.

The people who send in false or weak reports will simply get themselves in trouble and you won't have to worry about them long.

Lord Sojar · Oct 20, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

I just don't see why language is included... if someone does swear, there is a language filter. If they intentionally bypass the language filter, then yes, I can understand that. But if they let loose a swear word or two a day perhaps in a joke or anger about DPing out in HM (cough...), all of the sudden the word filter is meaningless and BOOM, your a bad person.

Either the word filter should be removed, or reporting language (outside of attempting to bypass the filter) should be removed.

Mac Sidewinder · Oct 20, 2007, 03:19 AM // 03:19

You got it right Rahja, I don't mind an occasional swear word either. That's what the filter is for. Only if you purposly bypass the filter, or its a raciest remark should any action take place. Some people's swear words could be considered raciest.